By AAMER MADHANI

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump is circumspect about his duties to uphold due process rights laid out in the Constitution, saying in a new interview that he does not know whether U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike deserve that guarantee.

He also said he does not think military force will be needed to make Canada the “51st state” and played down the possibility he would look to run for a third term in the White House.

The comments in a wide-ranging, and at moments combative, interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” came as the Republican president’s efforts to quickly enact his agenda face sharper headwinds with Americans just as his second administration crossed the 100-day mark, according to a recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Trump, however, made clear that he is not backing away from a to-do list that he insists the American electorate broadly supported when they elected him in November.

Here are some of the highlights from the interview with NBC’s Kristen Welker that was taped Friday at his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida and aired Sunday.

Trump doesn’t commit to due process

Critics on the left have tried to make the case that Trump is chipping away at due process in the United States. Most notably, they cite the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man who was living in Maryland when he was mistakenly deported to El Salvador and imprisoned without communication.

Trump says Abrego Garcia is part of a violent transnational gang. The Republican president has sought to turn deportation into a test case for his campaign against illegal immigration despite a Supreme Court order saying the administration must work to return Abrego Garcia to the U.S.

Asked in the interview whether U.S. citizens and noncitizens both deserve due process as laid out in the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, Trump was noncommittal.

“I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know,” Trump said when pressed by Welker.

The Fifth Amendment provides “due process of law,” meaning a person has certain rights when it comes to being prosecuted for a crime. Also, the 14th Amendment says no state can “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Trump said he has “brilliant lawyers … and they are going to obviously follow what the Supreme Court said.”

He said he was pushing to deport “some of the worst, most dangerous people on Earth,” but that courts are getting in his way.

“I was elected to get them the hell out of here, and the courts are holding me from doing it,” Trump said.

Military action against Canada is ‘highly unlikely’

The president has repeatedly threatened that he intends to make Canada the “51st state.”

Before his White House meeting on Tuesday with newly elected Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, Trump is not backing away from the rhetoric that has angered Canadians.

Trump, however, told NBC that it was “highly unlikely” that the U.S. would need to use military force to make Canada the 51st state.

He offered less certainty about whether his repeated calls for the U.S. to take over Greenland from NATO-ally Denmark can be achieved without military action.

“Something could happen with Greenland,” Trump said. “I’ll be honest, we need that for national and international security. … I don’t see it with Canada. I just don’t see it, I have to be honest with you.”

President bristles at recession forecasts

Trump said the U.S. economy is in a “transition period” but he expects it to do “fantastically” despite the economic turmoil sparked by his tariffs.

He offered sharp pushback when Welker noted that some Wall Street analysts now say the chances of a recession are increasing.

“Well, you know, you say, some people on Wall Street say,” Trump said. “Well, I tell you something else. Some people on Wall Street say that we’re going to have the greatest economy in history.”

He also deflected blame for the 0.3% decline in the U.S. economy in the first quarter. He said he was not responsible for it.

“I think the good parts are the Trump economy and the bad parts are the Biden economy because he’s done a terrible job,” referring to his Democratic predecessor, Joe Biden.

Trump doubled down on his recent comments at a Cabinet meeting that children might have to have two dolls instead of 30, denying that is an acknowledgment his tariffs will lead to supply shortages.

“I’m just saying they don’t need to have 30 dolls. They can have three. They don’t need to have 250 pencils. They can have five.”

Trump plays down third-term talk

The president has repeatedly suggested he could seek a third term in the White House even though the 22nd Amendment of the Constitution says that “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.”

Trump told NBC there is considerable support for him to run for a third term.

“But this is not something I’m looking to do,” Trump said. “I’m looking to have four great years and turn it over to somebody, ideally a great Republican, a great Republican to carry it forward.”

Trump’s previous comments about a third term sometimes seem more about provoking outrage on the political left. The Trump Organization is even selling red caps with the words “Trump 2028.”

But at moments, he has suggested he was seriously looking into a third term. In a late March phone interview with NBC, Trump said, “I’m not joking. There are methods which you could do it.”

So JD Vance in 2028? Marco Rubio? Not so fast.

Trump said in the interview that Vice President JD Vance is doing a “fantastic job” and is “brilliant.” Secretary of State Marco Rubio, whom Trump last week tasked to simultaneously serve as acting national security adviser, is “great,” the president said.

But Trump said it is “far too early” to begin talking about his potential successor.

He is confident that his “Make America Great Again” movement will flourish beyond his time in the White House.

“You look at Marco, you look at JD Vance, who’s fantastic,” Trump said. “You look at — I could name 10, 15, 20 people right now just sitting here. No, I think we have a tremendous party. And you know what I can’t name? I can’t name one Democrat.”

Ronald Reagan was wrong. The nine most terrifying words in the English language are not “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.” They are: “The arc of the moral universe bends towards justice.”

This is a pretty phrase that was invented by a good person, Theodore Parker, and revived by another good one, Martin Luther King Jr. But it’s terrifying because it produces unjustified confidence that history is on your side, and this has consequences. Donald Trump might well not be in the White House if progressives hadn’t been so convinced that the moral universe was bending in their direction.

The phrase presumes that history has a pre-determined direction. But Karl Popper demonstrated that such historical determinism is based on a fallacy: The direction of history is clearly shaped by inventions (the internet or AI), and we cannot predict what these will be.

Every day brings yet more evidence that the liberal vision of history is wrong. In the 1990s, liberals predicted that, thanks to the “moral arc,” democratic capitalism would triumph globally. Great sociologists such as Max Weber and Emile Durkheim predicted that modernity would bring bureaucratization and secularization in its wake.

But the first defining act of the 21st century was the destruction of the World Trade Center by 19 religious fanatics hijacking airplanes. Today, democracy is in retreat, strongmen are on the rise, and Trump is dismantling the rules-based global order. These leaders are recreating patrimonial regimes in which the governments are more like royal courts and the state is treated as family property. This is much more Vladimir Putin’s world than the political scientist Francis Fukuyama’s benevolent “end of history.”

Economic productivity has certainly improved since the mid-18th century (though more sluggishly in recent decades), but the idea that this produces moral or aesthetic progress is nonsense. Hitler took power in Europe’s best educated and most culturally sophisticated country. The reality is, progress in one area often brings regress in another.

The illusion of history begetting justice is terrifying for two reasons.

The first is it encourages a false sense of confidence that is often counterproductive.

The Democrats’ confidence that history was on their side led them to underestimate Trump so badly that they stuck with Joe Biden even though it was obvious that his powers were fading. This confidence also led the party to endorse a collection of unpopular causes, which might be conveniently lumped together as “wokery,” on the grounds that they were the contemporary equivalent of the civil rights movement. To hell with the people who question these causes even if they happen to be the numerical majority.

Before that, the same confidence persuaded the U.S. establishment, Republican as much as Democrat, to embrace China with open arms, subcontracting much of America’s manufacturing to the People’s Republic, even though the Leninists who ran the regime were determined to replace the U.S. as the world’s leading military and industrial power.

The second reason it’s terrifying is it encourages people to subcontract their moral judgments to history.

Most progressives did not treat the problem of transgender people’s rights as a nuanced moral issue that involved the careful balancing of the rights of biological women against those of trans women or an even more careful consideration of the potential harms of powerful drugs or invasive surgery. They simply rushed to be on “the right side of history.” The notion of the moral arc encourages groupthink and all the blindness and bullying that comes with it.

It is far healthier to treat history as an open-ended process that is made by individuals who have to wrestle with their own moral judgments rather than go with the supposedly progressive flow. “History is all things to all men,” as Herbert Butterfield put it in his great critique of the idea of history as progress, The Whig Interpretation of History. “She is in the service of good causes and bad.”

Progress is something that is made rather than predetermined — and thinking that you are on the winner’s side too early often puts you at a disadvantage.

The last group of “progressives” who thought they knew the direction of history were the Marxists who preached the inevitable triumph of Communism even as Communism was visibly collapsing. The danger is that today’s progressives will preach the triumph of progressivism even as — thanks in part to their arrogance and incompetence — strongmen dig themselves deeper into power across the world. Events only move in your direction if you put in the work to steer them that way.

Adrian Wooldridge is the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. A former writer at the Economist, he is author of “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World.”

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TAMARA DEAN: Introduces her essay collection “Shelter and Storm: A Home in the Driftless,” about her experiences living in the area of Wisconsin that was not touched by glaciers, leaving a landscape of steep hills and deeply carved valleys, forests and streams.

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The author and her husband bought an old farm and built their house of earthen blocks. Not sure of how she wanted to farm, Dean meanwhile kept a huge garden, researching the best ways to use the land while confronting prairie fires, floods and tornadoes, and the ravages of climate change.

The couples’ aim was to find ways to a more sustainable way to live. Her book is filled with adventure, hard work, history of farms and farming, and always consideration for what she and some of the neighboring farmers can do for the land, including hard choices such as whether to destroy a beaver dam that helps the environment but hurts farmers, or letting blown-down trees rot in place to provide animal habitat instead of selling to loggers.

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Kathy Berdan rode the carousel at Como Park, enjoyed the leafy quiet of Swede Hollow Park, explored Newell Park, one of St. Paul’s oldest public spaces. And that was just the beginning of her travels through our city parks.

“I just got on my bike and went. It was so much fun and a learning experience,” Berdan said of biking or walking through 19 iconic St. Paul parks as she did research for “Parks & People: A Colorful History of Saint Paul Parks” ($12.99). This softcover coloring book for adults is published through the first partnership between Ramsey County Historical Society and St. Paul Parks Conservancy.

Kathy Berdan, author of “Parks & People: A Colorful History of Saint Paul Parks,” a celebration of St. Paul Parks. (Courtesy of the Ramsey County Historical Society and St. Paul Parks Conservancy)

One of the most surprising facts in the book: 99% of people who live in St. Paul are within a 10-minute walk from a park.

“I loved the diversity of the parks, their history and people I met,” said Berdan, retired Pioneer Press entertainment editor  For diversity she cites Frogtown Community Center and General Vang Pao Fields as well as one of the newest parks, Unci Makha, the Dakota name for Grandmother Earth. She says she came to realize the history of our parks is also the history of our city.

“Parks & People,” illustrated with attractive, meticulous line drawings by Jeanne Kosfeld, includes the importance of park visionaries such as Horace Cleveland, whose influence dates to the late 19th century, as well as information about early St. Paul parks including Smith (Mears) Park and Rice Park. (Irvine Park, the oldest, is not in this book because it was the subject of a previous Ramsey County Historical Society coloring book “Irvine Park: St. Paul.”)

Matching Berdan’s enthusiasm for “Parks & People” is C. Michael-jon Pease, first executive director of St. Paul Parks Conservancy, a nonprofit partner of the St. Paul Parks and Recreation Department that raises money and provides expertise to the parks system. Established in 2008, the conservancy has raised about $4 million to improve, expand, renovate and help parks serve changing community needs.

“We are joyful colleagues in this connection with the Historical Society,” says Pease, who lives on St. Paul’s West Side. “Our conservancy staff loves parks and partnering with the society gave us access to their archives, such as the history of Swede Hollow.”

Pease and Berdan intersected often when Pease was executive director of Park Square Theatre and Berdan was covering arts for the Pioneer Press.

Michael-jon Pease, executive director of the St. Paul Parks Conservancy. (Courtesy of the Ramsey County Historical Society and St. Paul Parks Conservancy)

“I knew Kathy was exactly the person we needed to write this book,” recalls Pease, an Illinois native who moved here from Rhode Island in 1992 to earn a master’s degree at St. Mary’s University of Minnesota. He later taught fundraising as an adjunct faculty member in the school’s arts and cultural management program.

Berdan was happy to do the book after turning down an earlier suggestion that she join the conservancy board of directors.

“I told them I don’t do boards of directors but I’d help with communications,” recalled Berdan, a Minnesota native who worked at newspapers in Fergus Falls, St. Cloud, and Des Moines, Iowa, before joining the Pioneer Press in 2000.

Now that the book is published, Pease is looking forward to expanding the scope of the conservancy’s partnership with Ramsey County Historical Society through projects that help visitors enjoy these spaces even more. These might include better signage, more publications, and a website that helps people access information about the parks when they are out and about.

The first of these is The Great Park Walk game. Using the Goosechase app on their phones, people are invited to take selfies at each of the parks featured in the book. Those who visit all the parks are eligible to win a copy. The game is live now through Aug. 3.

Berdan and illustrator Kosfeld will sign books at the launch from 2 to 6 p.m. Saturday at Waldmann Brewery, 445 N. Smith Ave., St. Paul, with beer and music. The book will also be available at Parks Giving Day celebration from noon to 1 p.m. May 16 in Irvine Park.

More info at saintpaulparksconservancy.org/2025/04/get-your-parks-people-coloring-book/

Trivia

How much do you know about St. Paul parks? Take this quiz and find out.

Which park is:

on a site that was once a hill?
one of the most popular, drawing 2 million visitors annually?
where a bronze eagle protects her chicks?
the home of a replica of a pavilion in China?
named for a man who organized Black porters on Pullman Company trains?
a former refuge for immigrants with a creek running through it?
an area with remains of kilns left from when bricks were made there?
previously known as Navy island, used as a military base and training facility?
where water diverted to a culvert for more than a century flows as centerpiece?
named for a family known for luggage who had owned the land?

Answers:

Mears 2. Como 3. Summit Lookout 4. Phalen 5. Boyd 6. Swede Hollow 7. Lilydale 8. Raspberry Island 9. Unci Makha 10.Pedro

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