Leader of Madagascar’s military coup tells AP he is ‘taking the position of president’

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By BRIAN INGANGA, NQOBILE NTSHANGASE and GERALD IMRAY, Associated Press

ANTANANARIVO, Madagascar (AP) — The leader of Madagascar’s military coup told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he is “taking the position of president” and that the armed forces would be in charge of the African island nation for up to two years before any elections are held.

Col. Michael Randrianirina, who led the rebellion that ousted President Andry Rajoelina on Tuesday following weeks of youth-led protests, said in his first interview with a global news outlet since taking power that he expects to be sworn in as the country’s new leader in the next few days.

“There must be an oath-taking” to make his position official, Randrianirina said at his unit’s barracks while flanked by fellow officers. “We are staying here for at least 18 months, at most two years.”

Randrianirina announced Tuesday that the armed forces were taking power in Madagascar, a sprawling country of about 30 million people off of Africa’s east coast that is the world’s leading vanilla producer and is known for its unique biodiversity. Since gaining independence from France in 1960, it also has a history of coups and political crises.

The latest military takeover capped weeks of protests against Rajoelina and his government led by youth groups calling themselves “Gen Z Madagascar.” The protesters, who also included labor unions and civic groups, have demanded better government and job opportunities, echoing youth-led protests elsewhere in the world. Among other things, the Madagascar protesters have railed against chronic water and electricity outages, limited access to higher education, government corruption and poverty, which affects roughly three out of every four Madagascans, according to the World Bank.

Although some suggest the military seized power on the backs of the civilian protesters, demonstrators cheered Randrianirina and other soldiers from his elite CAPSAT unit as they triumphantly rode through the streets of the capital, Antananarivo, on Tuesday, with one protest leader telling the AP “the military is listening to us.”

The takeover was “an awakening of the people. It was launched by the youth. And the military supported us,” said the protest leader, Safika, who only gave one name as has been typical with the demonstrators. “We must always be wary, but the current state of affairs gives us reason to be confident.”

The map above locates Antananarivo, the capital of Madagascar. (AP Digital Embed)

The protests reached a turning point Saturday when Randrianirina and soldiers from his unit sided with the demonstrators calling for the president to resign. Rajoelina said he fled to an undisclosed country because he feared for his life.

Randrianirina explained that he is taking over as Madagascar’s head of state because the country’s High Constitutional Court invited him to do so in the absence of Rajoelina. He previously said the military had acted on behalf of the people and cast the coup as a move to “restore” the country.

“We had to take responsibility yesterday because there is nothing left in the country, no president, no president in the senate, no government,” Randrianirina said. The colonel said the military leadership was “accelerating” the appointment of a new prime minister “so that the crisis in the country does not last forever.” He didn’t give an exact time frame for that to happen.

Rajoelina, who first came to power as a transitional leader in a 2009 military coup, was elected president in 2018 and reelected in 2023. He fired his government last month in an attempt to appease the protesters after a crackdown by security forces left 22 people dead and more than 100 injured, according to the United Nations. Rajoelina’s government disputed those figures.

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The exiled Rajoelina, 51, has rejected the military takeover’s legitimacy.

But Randrianirina pushed back on that, telling the AP: “What is he saying is illegal? We have an order from the High Constitutional Court. We did not force the HCC or point a gun at it to issue this.”

Randrianirina’s claim that his authority to take over as president came from the country’s highest court seemed to contradict his announcement Tuesday that the military council that was taking power had suspended that court’s powers.

In a statement, Rajoelina’s office claimed that some of the high court’s judges had been threatened so they would sign off on the colonel’s ascendency.

There was no significant immediate reaction to the takeover by other countries or the African Union, which had called an emergency meeting of its security council.

Some analysts have described Madagascar’s youth movement as an expression of understandable grievances over government failures, and condemned the military takeover.

“Gen-Zers in Madagascar have been on the streets of the country protesting the lack of essential services, especially water and electricity, and the negative impact on their lives for almost a month,” said Olufemi Taiwo, professor of Africana studies at Cornell University. “This is a civil society uprising and its resolution should not involve the military.”

He called for the African Union to condemn “another coup” that Africa “does not need,” adding that no country should recognize the new military leadership.

Imray reported from Cape Town, South Africa. Associated Press reporter Sarah Tetaud contributed to this report.

More AP Africa news on Madagascar’s military takeover: https://apnews.com/hub/madagascar

7 Texas National Guard members in Illinois replaced for ‘not meeting mission standards’ when it came to physical fitness

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The Texas National Guard sent home seven soldiers whose fitness levels seemingly “did not meet mission requirements” for their deployment to Illinois, a Texas Military Department spokesperson confirmed Tuesday.

In a statement provided to the Tribune, the spokesperson said the service members were replaced “during the pre-mission validation process” at the U.S. Army Reserve training center in suburban Elwood, where the troops have been garrisoned since last week.

“These service members were returned to home station,” according to the statement.

The decision comes after some soldiers were ridiculed on social media for their physical appearance upon their arrival in Illinois. Widely circulated media photographs showed heavier guardsmen at the Elwood base, prompting critics to question how the troops fit in with U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth insistence that all military members must meet height and weight standards.

Hegseth — who told top military leaders last month that it was “tiring” to see “fat troops” — signaled his support for the soldiers’ removal on social media Monday.

“Standards are back at The @DeptofWar,” he posted on X, along with a screenshot of a story about the Texas National Guard’s decision.

The Texas Military Department did not specify which standards the seven Guard members did not meet, but the statement said the department “echoes Secretary Hegseth’s message to the force: ‘Our standards will be high, uncompromising, and clear.’”

A federal judge in Chicago last week blocked the Trump administration from deploying National Guard troops to Chicago and the rest of Illinois as part of its ongoing immigration enforcement push. In response, the Trump administration requested an emergency stay of the order, which was denied by a federal appeals court in Chicago on Saturday.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, however, did allow National Guard members already in Illinois to remain here during the appeal.

“Members of the National Guard do not need to return to their home states unless further ordered by a court to do so,” the court order said.

In her oral ruling from the bench, U.S. District Judge April Perry, an appointee of former President Joe Biden, said National Guard troops are “not trained in de-escalation or other extremely important law enforcement functions that would help to quell these problems,” and that allowing troops to come into Chicago “will only add fuel to the fire that the defendants themselves have started.”

The Department of Justice argued in a filing Friday night that Perry’s order “improperly impinges on the Commander in Chief’s supervision of military operations, countermands a military directive to officers in the field, and endangers federal personnel and property.”

There has been no visible presence of the Texas National Guard since last week’s ruling. Before the judge’s ruling, the troops were spotted at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in west suburban Broadview, but they did not interact with protesters.

The Pentagon has not clarified what the Guard members will be doing while the appeal plays out. Uniformed troops have been spotted a U.S. Army Reserve Center in recent days, with a few appearing to be carrying rifles as they walked around the 3,600-acre property about 50 miles southwest of Chicago.

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New Development Team Promises Atlantic Yards Progress, But Housing Penalties Called ‘Insufficient’

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The new development team—the third since the megaproject was announced in 2003—has agreed to pay $12 million as they plan a new way forward. A key advocate deemed that “insufficient” given the 876 unbuilt affordable apartments, which were supposed to be constructed by May 31.

Looking west from Vanderbilt Avenue near Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. The next phase of the project is expected to include six parcels on a platform to be built over the MTA’s Vanderbilt Yard. (Adi Talwar/City Limits)

Four months after the previous developer missed a deadline to deliver the remaining 876 affordable units in the long-stalled Atlantic Yards (aka Pacific Park) megaproject in Brooklyn, New York State endorsed a new development team, which agreed to pay limited penalties for the delayed apartments while a new plan—likely requesting valuable new bulk and public investment—for this key site percolates.

The emergence of a joint venture, involving the funding entity Cirrus Workforce Housing and the development firm LCOR, marks a third master developer and a new milestone in a star-crossed project. It was announced in December 2003, approved in 2006, and—after delays from a recession and lawsuits prompted renegotiation—re-approved in 2009.

While contentious from the start, the promised 2,250 below-market “affordable” units (of 6,430 total), were key to public support for Atlantic Yards; nearly 900 are yet to be constructed. 

Eight residential towers and the Barclays Center arena have been built on the 22-acre parcel stretching east from the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush avenues. Eight development parcels remain, six of them (known as sites B5-B10) relying on a costly platform to be built over the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s (MTA) two-block Vanderbilt Yard, used to store and service Long Island Rail Road trains.

Previous master developer Greenland USA, the arm of a Shanghai-based company, lost control of the railyard sites after defaulting on $286 million in loans to immigrant investors under the EB-5 cash-for-visas program. 

A look at current progress versus the approved plans for the project. Graphic by Ben Keel / Norman Oder.

The announcement that Cirrus, allied with New York’s building trades unions, and LCOR, known for building Terminal 4 at JFK Airport, qualifies as a “permitted developer” and had acquired railyard development rights via a foreclosure auction pending for nearly two years, came with new optimism from the state authority that oversees/shepherds the project.

“Under Governor [Kathy] Hochul’s leadership, ESD is determined to move this project forward in partnership with the permitted developer to engage the community and get to work,” said Empire State Development (ESD) CEO Hope Knight in an Oct. 7 press release circulated by Bolton-St. John’s, a lobbyist for Cirrus, an arm of Cirrus Real Estate Partners.

But an Oct. 9 meeting of the Atlantic Yards Community Development Corporation (AYCDC), established to oversee the project’s commitments, showed state officials and the new developers that frustration and distrust remain.

Penalties delayed

Starting June 1, Greenland was seemingly on the hook for about $1.75 million a month (or $2,000 per unit) due for the missing income-restricted affordable apartments. The deadline was established in 2014 for the project’s pledged 2,250 affordable units, part of a settlement with the BrooklynSpeaks coalition, which had threatened a lawsuit asserting that the delays raised fair-housing violations. 

While advocates and local elected officials urged the state to enforce those penalties, ESD officials demurred, citing their goal to find a new master developer and warning that Greenland—which had claimed that state agencies delayed key approvals, allowing the valuable 421-a tax break to expire—had threatened to litigate.

Michelle de la Uz of the housing and community development group Fifth Avenue Committee, who as part of BrooklynSpeaks had negotiated the 2014 settlement, lamented that the unbuilt affordable housing was supposed to help stem the displacement of Black residents in the area, which was expected to accelerate. 

“Those projections were spot on,” she said at last week’s meeting. 

Michelle de la Uz of the housing nonprofit Fifth Avenue Committee, which in 2014 negotiated the May 2025 deadline for affordable housing, told the advisory group that the interim penalties negotiated by New York State were “insufficient.” (Photo by Norm Oder)

So the announced $12 million payment the new development team will make to a city housing trust fund, predicated on state approval of a new Atlantic Yards/Pacific Park plan, was “insufficient,” said de la Uz. 

Former Brooklyn Community Board 8 member Diana Foster, a potential plaintiff in the threatened 2014 BrooklynSpeaks lawsuit who has since been priced out of the neighborhood, spoke with frustration during the public comment period. 

“It would have been great to have aged out in my community,” she said, “and I’m not allowed to do that.”

The payment—$4.5 million in 30 days; $2.5 million by July 31, 2026; and the remainder upon that new plan—struck a balance between money now and progress with the new developers, said Anna Pycior, ESD’s senior vice president of community relations.

“The $12 million is hard to square against what was a much larger liability and a much greater need,” observed Gib Veconi, an AYCDC director who, as a leader of BrooklynSpeaks, launched a petition urging Hochul to enforce the penalties. 

If the new plan runs aground, the damages could again accrue, but ESD aims for “a framework of new timelines, new deadlines, new enforcement tools,” said Arden Sokolow, executive vice president of real estate and planning.

This time it’s different?

Joseph McDonnell, Cirrus’ managing partner, at the meeting acknowledged the project’s rocky past, but asserted that this time it’s different, saying they see an opportunity to “make a dent in the housing crisis” in an era when “the easy sites” have evaporated. 

“There aren’t that many projects of scale with this type of location, this type of transportation connectivity, and this type of neighborhood amenity around it,” McDonnell said. 

Joseph McDonnell, managing partner of joint venture principal Cirrus Workforce Housing, said that their lower expected returns, alliance with the building trades, and discount on Greenland’s debt all made the project more feasible. (Photo by Norm Oder)

He cited “mission-driven equity,” not focused on the highest return, and a “true public-private partnership” involving the New York City Building and Construction Trades Council, whose pension funds support Cirrus projects and who will offer predictable costs via a project labor agreement. Cirrus emerged in March 2024 when New York City announced a Memorandum of Understanding to cooperate on workforce housing. 

The developers, he said, are “making a long-term bet on New York City.”

“We’re not going to decide that it’s better to develop somewhere else,” he said. “It’s really what happened with Greenland in some respects.” (The city in July awarded  LCOR-Cirrus the rights to build at the old Flushing Airport site. In May, Resorts World New York City, gunning for a full casino license, announced a joint venture with Cirrus to invest in up to 50,000 units of “workforce housing.”)

Also crucial: Cirrus’ ability to buy Greenland’s debt, presumably at a deep discount. “We see the ability to sort of make lemonade out of lemons,” McDonnell said, “and that the largest subsidy provider to this project is no doubt Greenland. They put $950 million into the ground, and they also built a railyard.” 

Graphic by Ben Keel / Norman Oder.

The exact contours of Greenland’s total investment were not specified, though Greenland’s parent company has written off nearly $400 million on the project. Putting aside the $300 million in debt associated with the Brooklyn project, mostly owed to EB-5 investors, the remainder of Greenland USA’s debt totaled $200 million, the Real Deal reported.

Until early October, McDonnell said, “the various components of [Atlantic Yards] were encumbered by over $300 million of debt.” As part of the restructuring, “we reduced that debt by about 75 percent.”

That means that creditors such as the EB-5 investors, associated with the U.S. Immigration Fund, and Fortress Investment Group, which acquired some of that EB-5 debt, got deferred interest in the future railyard development. 

“We came in to clean up the structure such that it can hopefully move forward at a quicker pace,” McDonnell said of the joint venture, which is called—in perhaps aspiration or portent—Brooklyn Ascending Land Co., LLC. The construction manager will be Plaza Construction, which previously worked on the project. Cirrus is also making a loan to settle Greenland’s debts with architects and engineers.

State officials expressed appreciation that the project’s under the control of a single developer, allowing them to consider it “holistically, with one development team and one process,” said Joel Kolkmann, ESD senior vice president of real estate and planning.

Then again, the reliance on a single developer—originally Forest City Ratner/Forest City Enterprises, later Greenland USA—added risk to a complex project, as BrooklynSpeaks has argued.

McDonnell said project details would depend on the total cost, which would be based on the “program and the density,” but “we’re confident we’ll get it done.” 

Slides shared by Cirrus and LCOR at an Atlantic Yards Community Development Corporation meeting last week. (Screenshot)

Still, the fine print on Cirrus’ slides, presented at last week’s meeting, offered a standard disclaimer aimed at investors, noting that “no assurance can be given that such targets, intentions or expectations will be met.”

Complex sites, complex plan

“The railyard sites are not like any other sites in New York,” added Anthony Tortora, co-chief investment officer of LCOR, which is co-owned by the California State Teachers’ Retirement System. “They’re incredibly complex. Each of the six parcels present unique challenges and opportunities.” 

LCOR, he said, has “extensive experience with transit oriented development involving complex sites.” (It recently launched the mixed-use project Hoboken Connect.)

“The current plan for the rail yards predates the iPhone,” he noted. (It emerged in January 2007.) “We think there’s an opportunity to optimize the plan, bring it current, which again will facilitate the delivery of more housing, more affordability, and more community benefits.”

The design, added McDonnell, could be “more contextual to the contours of what this community wants and needs today, I don’t think we need 40 Starbucks along Atlantic Avenue.” That seemed a stretch. The design guidelines, at street level, limit use to community facilities, retail and personal service, health clubs, and residential building spaces.

Still, Tortora acknowledged, “there’ll be trade-offs for sure.” Those await discussion in a community engagement process expected to start in mid-November, leading to a new memorandum of understanding with the state by March 1, 2026, or as late as July 31, 2026.

Asked about the expected public investment, McDonnell said it depends on the affordable housing income “bands” targeted, working with state and city agencies, as well as using tax abatements. 

“I would think through the buildings it will actually vary quite a bit,” he said. 

The Barclays Center arena and surrounding towers in downtown Brooklyn. (Adi Talwar/City Limits)

“The mission of Cirrus Workforce Housing is to responsibly build,” McDonnell added. “We use union labor [and build] housing across the income bands. We are not condo-focused.” 

If that doesn’t rule out condos, that may leave the option to build more lucrative condos to make deeper affordability work. 

Though Cirrus’s website doesn’t indicate any completed projects, McDonnell said they wouldn’t focus on smaller apartments: “When you look at the type of housing we build alongside public investment, the unit counts are much more skewed towards twos and threes.”  

AYCDC Director Ron Shiffman, a veteran advocacy planner, said he appreciated the developers’ mission. However, he asked if they’d follow Related Companies’ effort to restart Hudson Yards by publicly financing the needed railyard platform, which prompted criticism from the Comptroller’s office. Under Greenland, no public support had been publicly proposed.

McDonnell didn’t say no. “Depending on the final program, there are various public sources available which support infrastructure like this,” he said, “at the city, state, and federal level. We’re fairly good at putting those things together.” 

He noted that the foundations for the platform on the first block had begun “but kind of stopped halfway through.” 

What’s next?

ESD has hired the firm Karp Strategies for a community engagement process, starting in mid-November, seeking feedback on issues of density, affordable housing, open space, the streetscape, and economic development. 

It will start “with a presentation of where we stand, what has been built today,” said Pycior, “then explaining what the development team is proposing, not as a done deal, but as a thing to respond to.” 

Two in-person meetings, as well as an online survey and other feedback, would culminate in a January Zoom meeting to take public comment on a draft public engagement report. Some AYCDC directors, however, suggested a third meeting before the Zoom; ESD officials said they’d consider that.

Veconi noted that, given the project’s decades-long history, they faced “engagement fatigue and some level of accountability concerns.” Asked how the plan could be credible, Kolkmann said ESD would “be coming to you with the plan and its viability, and we’ll explain how it’s being financed.”

BrooklynSpeaks has previously argued that proposed changes merit a third-party analysis of their financial feasibility.

The speed of construction remained unclear. McDonnell disavowed a quote from the U.S. Immigration Fund’s Nicholas Mastroianni II, who told the Real Deal the first platform phase would take five years.

Veconi observed that, based on conversations with ESD staff, a required environmental review of project changes might begin in July 2026 and take two years. After project approval, each block of the platform would take three years to build.

“If that number is still good, putting a building on top of them would probably take another couple years,” Veconi said. “So, it sounds like we’re probably into 2033.”

“Yeah, maybe that’s from past experience,” countered Kolkmann. “I think we have to go get the details of the plan and see what the team’s phasing and strategy looks like.”

Indeed, one previous platform plan suggests a separate, faster phase for the B5 site, just east of Sixth Avenue, which Greenland had designed and was preparing to build. A second phase would include the B6 and B7 sites, while a third would include B8 through B10, between Carlton and Vanderbilt avenues. 

Only completion of that eastern block would allow completion of the 8-acre “Pacific Park,” since it relies on converting a closed block of Pacific Street into open space.

The development team might also target Site 5, the parcel catercorner to the Barclays Center, long home to the big-box stores Modell’s and P.C. Richard. It was approved for a 250-foot tower in 2006. Since 2016, the project developers have aimed to combine that bulk with that of the unbuilt B1, the flagship tower once slated to loom over the arena.

Indeed, in 2021, Greenland signed an interim lease with ESD, which agreed to support a transfer of the B1 rights across Flatbush Avenue to construct an even taller, bulkier project, supporting a tower 910 feet tall, the borough’s second tallest. It could contain housing, retail, a 550-room hotel, plus new LED signage, presumably valuable for advertising. 

The Site 5 and B1 development was not part of the foreclosure; Greenland has a passive stake in that project, which, while not requiring a platform, could intersect with the Pacific Street entrance to the Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center subway station.

Project backstory

Atlantic Yards was launched by veteran Brooklyn developer Forest City Ratner, which had bought the New Jersey Nets to leverage a new arena project in the nation’s media capital. Though generating pushback over scale, subsidies, the bypass of City Council, feared impacts, and the use of eminent domain, the project was approved by ESD (then known as Empire State Development Corporation) in 2006. The promised 2,250 below-market “affordable” units (of 6,430 total), were key to public support.

Forest City, which broke ground for the Barclays Center in 2010, opened it in September 2012, anchored by the Brooklyn Nets. A plan to build the entire residential project via modular construction ran aground. Forest City, aiming to reduce its exposure, in 2014 sold 70 percent of the remaining project to Greenland, excluding the arena and the troubled modular tower.

Before the Greenland deal was formalized, BrooklynSpeaks negotiated the new affordable housing timeline. The new partners built three towers before Forest City stalled the project in 2016, citing competition from Downtown Brooklyn towers and construction cost increases. 

After Forest City exited almost completely in 2018, Greenland sold development leases to TF Cornerstone for two sites, to The Brodsky Organization for another, and built another with Brodsky. 

“They never really intended to develop this themselves,” McDonnell asserted of Greenland. “They thought they were developing it with Forest City, and it atrophied from that time forward.” The actual path was more complicated.

Plans to develop the railyard sites, including the designed B5 tower, were stalled by the COVID-19 pandemic and negotiations with the ESD and MTA. Greenland in 2023 aimed to rescue the project by supersizing it, including selling the railyard development rights. But the EB-5 loans were overdue, and the U.S. Immigration Fund began pursuing foreclosure in November 2023. 

However, only a new permitted developer—one with a decade of experience in large-scale projects—could take over. Hudson Yards developer Related last year pursued the platform sites, but pulled out, for reasons unexplained. Cirrus soon emerged, then allied with LCOR. 

What about the arena?

The project, proposed by a single developer, now has many players. A crucial shift was the sale of the Nets and the arena company, in stages, by Forest City to Russian oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov, thus precluding the opportunity to cross-subsidize the project.

In 2017, Prohorov began a sale, completed in 2019, to the Alibaba billionaire Joe Tsai, who operates holding company BSE Global. Both Prokhorov and Tsai have made large profits. (Tsai, who last year sold a 15 percent slice in BSE Global at a $5.8 billion valuation, and since sold a slice in the New York Liberty, which he and his wife Clara Wu Tsai purchased for a song and rebuilt—at a $450 million valuation.)

Site 5, long home to Modell’s and P.C. Richard, is slated for a two-tower development, with one tower rising potentially 910 feet tall. In the interim, BSE Global, which operates the Barclays Center and owns the Brooklyn Nets and New York Liberty, has opened a youth basketball training center. (Photo by Norm Oder)

BSE Global has begun to pursue an “ecosystem” of media and events, buying Brooklyn Magazine (now BK MAG), starting the pop culture site Type.Set.Brooklyn, buying the retail condo at the Williamsburgh Savings Bank tower, planning a hotel, and launching the Planet Brooklyn music festival.

Last month, BSE Global opened the Brooklyn Basketball Training Center, offering after-school and weekend youth programs (for $520/8 hours), in the long-closed Modell’s store. While the training center won’t be permanent, BSE may seek space in the future development at Site 5, which could include a hotel.

Assuming the Site 5 development plan proceeds, BSE Global, though not a party to it, would gain by avoiding construction of the flagship tower that would eliminate the Barclays plaza, now sponsored by Ticketmaster, and interfere with arena operations and promotion.

At the Oct. 9 meeting, Veconi encouraged ESD to get BSE Global involved in project discussions, given that issues like streetscape improvements inevitably involve the arena. Shiffman added that the arena operator should compensate the public for use of the plaza.

Veconi agreed. The agreement to move the unbuilt tower’s bulk across Flatbush Avenue to Site 5, he said, was a “backroom deal.” 

“If that’s what’s happening,” Veconi said, “we need a give-back from the arena. They’re getting something that they weren’t going to have before, and has value.” 

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Democrats say they won’t be intimidated by Trump’s threats as the shutdown enters a third week

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By MARY CLARE JALONICK and STEPHEN GROVES, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Entering the third week of a government shutdown, Democrats say they are not intimidated or cowed by President Donald Trump’s efforts to fire thousands of federal workers or by his threats of more firings to come.

Instead, Democrats appear emboldened, showing no signs of caving as they returned to Washington from their home states Tuesday evening and, for an eighth time, rejected a Republican bill to open the government.

“What people are saying is, you’ve got to stop the carnage,” said Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, describing what he heard from his constituents, including federal workers, as he traveled around his state over the weekend. “And you don’t stop it by giving in.”

Hawaii Sen. Brian Schatz said the firings are “a fair amount of bluster” and he predicted they ultimately will be overturned in court or otherwise reversed. Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, speaking about Republicans, said the shutdown is just “an excuse for them to do what they were planning to do anyway.” And Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday that the layoffs are a “mistaken attempt” to sway Democratic votes.

“Their intimidation tactics are not working,” added House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York. “And will continue to fail.”

Democratic senators say they are hearing increasingly from voters about health insurance subsidies that expire at the end of the year, the issue that the party has made central to the shutdown fight.

Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware said that the impact of the expiring health insurance subsidies on millions of people, along with cuts to Medicaid enacted by Republicans earlier this year, “far outweighs” any of the firings of federal workers that the administration is threatening.

Republicans, too, are confident in their strategy not to negotiate on the health care subsidies until Democrats give them the votes to reopen the government. The Senate planned to vote again Wednesday and Thursday on the Republican bill, and so far there are no signs of any movement on either side.

“We’re barreling toward one of the longest shutdowns in American history,” House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said earlier this week.

Moderate Democrats aren’t budging

In the first hours of the shutdown, which began at 12:01 a.m. EDT Oct. 1., it was not clear how long Democrats would hold out.

A group of moderate Democrats who had voted against the GOP bill immediately began private, informal talks with Republicans. The GOP lawmakers hoped enough Democrats would quickly change their votes to end a filibuster and pass the spending bill with the necessary 60 votes.

But the bipartisan talks over the expiring health care subsidies have dragged on without a resolution so far. Two weeks later, the moderates, including Sens. Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire and Gary Peters of Michigan, are still voting no.

“Nothing about a government shutdown requires this or gives them new power to conduct mass layoffs,” Peters said after the director of the White House’s budget director, Russell Vought, announced that the firings had started on Friday.

DC-area lawmakers see advantages to shutdown

Another key group of Democrats digging in are lawmakers such as like Kaine who represent millions of federal workers in Virginia and Maryland. Kaine said the shutdown was preceded by “nine months of punitive behavior” as the Republican president has made cuts at federal agencies “and everybody knows who’s to blame.”

“Donald Trump is at war with his own workforce, and we don’t reward CEOs who hate their own workers,” Kaine said.

Appearing at a news conference Tuesday alongside supportive federal workers, Democratic lawmakers from Maryland and Virginia called on Republicans to come to the negotiating table.

“The message we have today is very simple,” said Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. “Donald Trump and Russ Vought stop attacking federal employees, stop attacking the American people and start negotiating to reopen the federal government and address the looming health care crisis that is upon us.”

Thousands are losing their jobs, and more to follow

In a court filing Friday, the White House Office of Management and Budget said well over 4,000 federal employees from eight departments and agencies would be fired in conjunction with the shutdown.

On Tuesday, Trump said his administration is using the shutdown to target federal programs that Democrats like and “they’re never going to come back, in many cases.”

“We are closing up Democrat programs that we disagree with and they’re never going to open again,” he said.

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On Capitol Hill, though, the threats fell flat with Democrats as they continued to demand talks on health care.

“I don’t feel any of this as pressure points,” Jeffries said. “I view it as like the reality that the American people confront and the question becomes, at what point will Republicans embrace the reality that they have created a health care crisis that needs to be decisively addressed?”

Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., held firm that Republicans would not negotiate until Democrats reopen the government.

The firings, Thune has repeatedly said, “are a situation that could be totally avoided.”

AP Congressional Correspondent Lisa Mascaro contributed to this report.