Meet three powerhouse women of East Metro chocolate, connecting people with one another and the earth

posted in: News | 0

Somewhat unexpectedly — including to them — the three dominant women chocolatiers in the East Metro share a similar trajectory.

Mary Leonard, Robyn Dochterman and Susan Brown all feel lifelong connections to food but began their lives in other spheres, and each found her way back to chocolate as a midlife career change.

Leonard started Chocolat Celeste in 2001. Dochterman started St. Croix Chocolate Company in 2010. Brown started Mademoiselle Miel in 2011.

Now, each of their chocolate companies are in their adolescence, and greater St. Paul’s dames of chocolate are using the treat to bring people closer together and encourage us to think about the world around us.

St. Paul is something of a candy hub, with companies like Pearson’s Candy Co., Regina’s Candies, and Legacy Chocolates sweetening the city. Across the Twin Cities, too, the chocolate confection scene has deep roots, from the earliest incarnation of Mars — the Milky Way bar was invented here — to centuries-old institutions like Abdallah Candies and Maud Borup.

Besides launching their businesses in a similar era, Leonard, Dochterman and Brown are now in similar life stages, in their early to mid-60s. Leonard and Brown were both divorced before starting their businesses; Leonard and Dochterman each pivoted to chocolate after leaving plum professional roles.

“You reach a certain point in your life where you’ve done what you’re ‘supposed’ to do,” Dochterman said. “You’ve followed the rules. You’ve succeeded. And now, you’re like, ‘OK, I want to do something for me.”

Pivoting Toward Chocolate

Dochterman grew up on six acres in Iowa, picking wild black raspberries and helping her mom and grandma can fruits and vegetables for the winter.

St. Croix Chocolate Company owner Robyn Dochterman stirs a bowl of melted white chocolate in this undated photo. Dochterman, who grew up in rural Iowa, founded the chocolate company in 2010. (Photo courtesy St. Croix Chocolate Company)

Up until the 2008 recession, she was a web editor at the Star Tribune; living in south Minneapolis, she was feeling a little unmoored from the natural world she’d grown up in.

About a year before she lost her job at the newspaper, she and Deidre Pope, her life partner and now chocolate business co-owner, moved to a several-acre plot of land near Marine on St. Croix. There, they began raising chickens, keeping honeybees and renovating a house. When Dochterman became unemployed, she knew she also wanted her professional life to reconnect her back to the land through food, just as she’d refashioned her personal life to do.

But she didn’t know exactly what form it would take.

A bread-baker? Gotta wake up too early in the morning. A cheese-maker? Gotta do too much chemistry. A chocolatier? Bingo.

After chocolate-making classes, she would stay up till the early morning, toying around in the kitchen with various chocolate formulations. It was true, she conceded, laughing — she found herself awake at 3 a.m. thinking about chemistry anyway.

St. Croix Chocolate Company is based in a small building in Marine on St. Croix, as shown on Oct. 18, 2023. The company, run by chocolatier Robyn Dochterman, won a silver and bronze award at the International Chocolate Awards world finals in 2023. (Jared Kaufman / Pioneer Press)

And thanks to the recession, the building in downtown Marine on St. Croix that her chocolate company still calls home today was cheap to buy. It needed plenty of repairs, she said, but plumbers and electricians and other craftspeople were grateful for the work in the tough economy.

“One of the things I love about having my own business is, if I get bored, it’s on me,” Dochterman said. “I can just make up something better to do! I don’t have to go to meetings and get supervisors to approve it. I just try it. The classic (expletive) around and find out.”

As for Leonard, she began her career building recipe databases for hospitals, and soon took a job with the state of Minnesota, focusing on something that’s dominating the modern tech conversation now, too — artificial intelligence. At the time, she said, this took the form of decision-making software for various government agencies.

Later, she worked in telecommunications sales, connecting universities and other institutions with data banks, systems that undergirded early internet browsing and search engines.

Midway through this career, when Leonard was 32, she and her husband divorced. She was out of town for work most weekdays anyway, but on the weekends, she suddenly found herself without as vibrant a social circle. So she began taking chocolate-making classes.

She had long found fine chocolates to be a useful sales tool, she said. In male-dominated tech spheres, she said, “the IT guys always wanted to stump me (with) some technical term I didn’t know.”

Leonard, who described herself as “soft-spoken but really a strong personality,” could hold her own in these conversations. And she’d give potential customers boxes of chocolates to show she intended to build a productive relationship, not a combative one, and to remind them that she’d made the effort to meet with them in person.

When she launched Chocolat Celeste at age 46, she said, her gender once again came into play.

Her vision for the company, as an online-first business where users could place orders through the internet, was fairly cutting-edge in 2001. But despite her tech background, she said, bankers, investors and even potential customers perceived chocolate as effeminate and the business as a “hobby.” The business has become successful and Leonard herself has survived breast cancer.

Susan Brown, founder of Mademoiselle Miel chocolatier. (Courtesy James J. Hill Center)

When she was starting Mademoiselle Miel, Susan Brown encountered a similar challenge.

“It was harder to get money and support (as a woman),” she said. “People say, ‘Oh, that’s cute.’ But when a man does it, it seems like the loans are more abundant, the clout is more.”

Minnesotans recognize the value of hard work, she said; she appreciates that customers have come to see how chocolatiers of all genders are devoting their energy toward creating something the community enjoys.

“Now that I’m more established, it feels different,” Brown said.

Can Local Chocolate Change the World?

Just as Leonard found in sales, chocolate can be the connector between oneself and another person. Chocolate is simply fun for people to eat, Dochterman pointed out: It makes us happy, and sharing it makes us feel good.

Chocolate can also tie us to our own bodies and our place on Earth, which makes chocolate an entry point for these local chocolatiers into discussions about sustainability and the land.

Susan Brown tends beehives on top of her chocolate shop, Mademoiselle Miel, as well as in other locations in the Twin Cities. (Photo by Kathy Berdan)

Mademoiselle Miel set itself apart early on by incorporating honey from urban beehives around St. Paul, including on the roof of the chocolate shop itself. Within the past few years, and with support from the University of Minnesota, owner Brown has spun off the beekeeping part of the business into a nonprofit called Building Bees.

As a young woman, Brown’s sweet tooth often bumped up against a dietary sensitivity to processed sugar. Honey, she found, was a natural sweetener that didn’t upset her stomach — and whose production also supported much-needed pollinator species.

“We need to do good things, but we need to do good things that don’t hurt us,” she said. “Some things aren’t beneficial for our bodies or the land, and it all works together collectively. We have to hold it all together and consider the big picture, not just for ourselves as individuals but for the next generation.”

Speaking of working collaboratively, here’s a crazy fact: An individual honey bee produces about one-twelfth of a teaspoon of honey in its entire life. That means the average 16-oz. jar of honey represents the life’s work of more than 1,000 bees.

Award-winning chocolate bars are displayed at Mademoiselle Miel, a chocolate shop near downtown St. Paul that uses honey from beehives on its roof, on Oct. 11, 2023. Susan Brown, the owner of Mademoiselle Miel, plans to move the business to a larger building next year. (Jared Kaufman / Pioneer Press)

Given how central honey is to Brown’s business, this reality is always top-of-mind for her, she said, because it shows that even a small action can contribute to something greater.

“You’ve got to take some action. You can’t just think about it. You can’t just talk about it,” she said. When you do take action, she said, it’s as if “the universe reaches back and starts a dialogue.”

You’ll start seeing more opportunities to learn and contribute, she said. Brown, for example, went out on a limb when she purchased her first piece of beekeeping equipment with little experience and drove up a farmer’s driveway unannounced to ask him for mentorship.

And you might also start to notice, as Robyn Dochterman does, the wild turkey flocks and deer and birds migrating through your yard.

“I bring that love of being connected to the earth to chocolate,” Dochterman said. “How can we say that so it doesn’t sound hokey? I don’t know. Maybe you can figure out a good way to say that when you’re writing the story.” (Reporter’s note: Sorry, Robyn.)

Colorful chocolate pumpkins sit on a cooling rack before being displayed for retail at St. Croix Chocolate Company, a chocolatier in Marine on St. Croix, on Oct. 14, 2023. Before opening a chocolate business, Robyn Dochterman worked as a journalist at the Star Tribune. (Jared Kaufman / Pioneer Press)

The point, though, is that she reflects the land through seasonality in her chocolates. Cacao, the plant that produces cocoa pods, has seasonal variation itself, but seasons in the tropics are clearly quite different from those in Minnesota.

So she focuses on the fillings and flavors she incorporates — rhubarb in the fall; maple sugaring season, she points out, is actually in the spring even though the flavor has come to be more associated with fall. Foraged ingredients like wild grapes make a twist on peanut butter and jelly; black raspberries go into her caramel.

“We can still tell time by food,” she said. “We just have a natural sense of time, and it’s nice when we can respect that and highlight what’s growing out there by putting it in chocolate.”

But there’s a problem here: In order to make chocolate candies, you need, well, chocolate. Cocoa. Climate change and global warming pose a serious threat to cocoa growers and producers, Dochterman pointed out.

The next generation of chocolate is deeply tied to the state of the climate. On the one hand, industrial cocoa production practices are associated with significant deforestation, which drive the environment toward greater deterioration. And on the other hand, a warming climate means the places where cacao can grow will change, which puts current production at risk.

“Thinking of how much chocolate we consume as Americans, it’s a huge industry,” Brown said. “We have to look at those fundamental, essential parts of life and see if we can fine-tune them, make them better, instead of degrading or corrupting them.”

Can Local Chocolate Change the World … Or Will the World Change Local Chocolate?

Locally speaking, the future of chocolate is also being determined right now.

When Chocolat Celeste, Mademoiselle Miel and St. Croix Chocolate Company began, they were each upstart businesses making their way in a relatively new niche market. No longer. The world of chocolate candies has grown significantly in the past couple decades. And with it, Leonard, Brown and Dochterman have become established players.

Dochterman’s chocolates recently won a pair of international awards. Several of Brown’s chocolate bars also performed quite well at the U.S. level of competition.

Anna Gaseitsiwe, left, Susan Brown and Suzanne Casler outside Mademoiselle Miel in St. Paul. Gaseitsiwe and Casler created the honeycomb art installation on the side of the building. Brown uses honey from the hives on the rooftop in her chocolates at the shop. (Photo by Kathy Berdan)

Now, they say, it’s up to them, as the owners of more mature businesses, to help define the next generation of chocolate.

“Especially in a new industry, you have to be a pioneer; do the hard work,” Brown said. “You have to figure out how to do the craft and be a good business that’s profitable and has potential.”

But as consumers become more educated, chocolatiers’ responsibilities shift.

“It’s refining our palate — and refining our expectations of what people offer us,” she said. “To support cocoa growers; to provide our bodies with more beneficial foods and flavors; to change the way we consume chocolate and maintain commodities like cocoa beans and sugar.”

Dochterman isn’t quite sure what’s on the horizon for chocolate. Perhaps countertop machines will be invented that make it easier to produce filled truffles at home? Perhaps new flavor notes in chocolate will emerge as the climate changes? Customers are certainly interested in “snackier things” these days, she said.

Brown’s plans for Mademoiselle Miel are particularly exciting: She’s expanding the business into a new home by Harriet Island, a formerly industrial building in the lowland area of the West Side along the river.

Yes, it means she’ll likely end up leaving the iconic skinny Kellogg Avenue building on the outskirts of downtown, but the move wouldn’t happen till mid-2024 at the earliest.

In the new building, Brown hopes to be able to take on apprentices and host workshops on chocolate-making, beekeeping, and other skills. She’s planning a lab space to create her own ingredients like distilled essential oils from local plants; a cafe for people to taste her creations on-site; and fruit orchards on the grounds in addition to bees on the roof. She wants to create a gallery full of edible chocolate art.

Chocolate candies sit ready to be packaged and sent to recipients on Oct. 4, 2023, at Chocolat Celeste in St. Paul. Owner Mary Leonard customizes the designs on her chocolates using edible cocoa-butter-based transfer sheets. (Jared Kaufman / Pioneer Press)

It’s all about reaching people of all ages, skill levels, and interests, she said, so people become interested in dedicating their lives to chocolate.

As Leonard, Brown and Dochterman get older, they’re reflecting on what they’ve built over their own lives, and what they will still continue to create.

In a way, simply by sharing a bon bon or truffle or chocolate bar — or by eating it ourselves — their work pushes our own lives forward.

“Every chocolate becomes a part of somebody else,” Brown said. “It goes on in a different way. It transforms. That’s what art is.”

Where to find chocolate

The holiday season is make-or-break for local chocolatiers. Here’s how to find their products:

Chocolat Celeste: 652 Transfer Rd.; 651-644-3823; chocolatceleste.com
Mademoiselle Miel: 342 W Kellogg Blvd.; 651-226-4703; mademoisellemiel.com
St. Croix Chocolate Company: 261 Parker St., Marine on St Croix; 651-433-1400; stcroixchocolateco.com (in-person purchases only through the 2023 holiday season)

Related Articles

Restaurants, Food and Drink |


Holiday Baking 2023: 3 new cookbooks to inspire the perfect cookie platter

Restaurants, Food and Drink |


Easy pantry meal puts creamy beans and pasta front and center

Restaurants, Food and Drink |


Updated comfort food: Lamb tagine with dates and shallots

Restaurants, Food and Drink |


These Minnesota-made chocolates are declared among the best in the world

Restaurants, Food and Drink |


Don’t eat pre-cut cantaloupe if the source is unknown, CDC says, as deadly salmonella outbreak grows

Chicago Bulls’ Zach LaVine to miss 3-4 more weeks with right foot soreness

posted in: News | 0

Zach LaVine likely won’t play for the Chicago Bulls again until 2024.

The team announced Wednesday that LaVine will require three to four more weeks of treatment to address right foot soreness, which has already sidelined the guard intermittently for the last two weeks.

This timeline would place LaVine’s earliest expected return to the court on Dec. 28 for a home game against the Indiana Pacers. But LaVine could remain sidelined until the new year. That leaves little time before the Feb. 8 NBA trade deadline, by when the Bulls are expected to move LaVine as the team approaches a future without their longtime star.

The injury occurred during a home game against the Miami Heat on Nov. 20 — just days after LaVine chose not to deny reports that he is interested in a trade away from Chicago.

LaVine played through the injury for both games of a homestand against the Heat, then missed one road game against the Oklahoma City Thunder. He returned for three games but was pulled in the second half of a blowout loss to the Boston Celtics on Nov. 28.

“It felt a little better and just progressively got worse,” LaVine said of his foot injury after the game in Boston. “It just didn’t make sense to continue to risk it. It hurts. When you suit up, no one cares about that. I’ve played through a lot of stuff before so it doesn’t matter. But it didn’t make sense with the way it was feeling to keep going.”

The team shut him down for a week three days later.

The Bulls have been playing their best basketball of the season without LaVine, notching a three-game win streak since his extended absence was announced last week. This stretch has been highlighted by a more fluid style of play and bolstered by hot shooting performances from Coby White. But this brief improvement has also raised a pointed question — can the Bulls keep playing like this when LaVine returns?

DeMar DeRozan alluded to a potentially lengthier absence for LaVine after the team’s win over the Charlotte Hornets on Wednesday.

“It’s one day at a time,” DeRozan said. “Zach’s got to take care of himself, not sure how long that will be. So every single day, every single practice, shootaround, game, we just got to stay locked in, be prepared for when guys get all the way healthy. We’ve just got to keep building.”

The spotlight has been on LaVine in the three weeks since his interest in a trade was originally reported. LaVine hasn’t just missed three games since then — he scored 13 or fewer points in three games and appeared detached from his duties on defense.

The Bulls will now face another critical stretch without their highest-paid star as they attempt to dig out of an 8-14 hole.

()

Biden Has a New War Room to Tackle Gun Violence. Can It Stop the Bloodshed?

posted in: Politics | 0

The NRA had a bad day on Sept. 22.

That was the day President Joe Biden unveiled his new Office of Gun Violence Prevention, the first-ever White House office dedicated to the issue. Sitting in the Rose Garden for the announcement was Rob Wilcox, the initiative’s new deputy director who couldn’t help but think of a two-decade old quote from an NRA official crowing that the powerful gun group would have an office in the West Wing if George W. Bush was elected president.

That never happened. Instead, seated between his kids and fellow deputy Greg Jackson was Wilcox — a longtime gun safety advocate — set to start his job inside the White House.

But not long after, Wilcox had some bad days of his own.

A month after the office’s unveiling, it had to respond to its first mass shooting, in Lewiston, Maine. Then another one in Chicago. They’re just two of the 630 mass shootings so far this year.

“The gun violence that is happening is unacceptable,” Wilcox said in an interview with POLITICO Magazine. “The truth is that we have a lot of ground to make up.”

Biden can claim credit for signing the first gun safety law in nearly 30 years and has issued a slew of executive orders, but he’s also been criticized by progressives for not doing more. The new White House office was a long-sought goal of gun safety activists, who were eager for further action from the administration, particularly with new legislation all but doomed in Congress amid Republican resistance.

Despite the ongoing carnage, including a tragedy that hit Wilcox’s own family, he remains optimistic that America can tackle this growing crisis. And he made the case that the federal government is building new systems right now that might actually stem the bloodshed.

“Gun violence is rooted in heartbreak,” he said. “But that doesn’t mean it’s rooted in hopelessness.”

This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

Your office’s name includes the word “prevention.” Did you expect that responding to, rather than preventing, mass shootings would play such a big role in your job? 

The president gave us four clear tasks: The first is to expedite the implementation of the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act and the previous executive actions. The second is to identify new executive actions that we can take to reduce gun violence. A third is to expand the coalition of partners that we work with to get more state and local action. And then the fourth is to improve the support for our communities and individuals impacted by gun violence.

And it’s not just mass shootings, it’s concentrations and surges in gun violence. And so was I surprised? No, absolutely not. But my fellow deputy, Greg Jackson, had been working on developing the first-ever, whole-of-government response to gun violence when it occurs even before that shooting [in Lewiston] and so he was well prepared to lead the largest federal response ever to an act of gun violence.

And that’s a system for how federal agencies can jump into action in the event of another shooting? 

Exactly. Since we knew this was our job from the jump, we had already worked with the agencies to begin to understand what potential resources they could bring to bear to respond to gun violence. When that tragedy happened in Lewiston, we were just forced into action. That system only gets perfected over time, especially as we look back at lessons learned. We hear more about needs, and we develop a real comprehensive response plan.

The thing that we know is that no shooting is the same. Part of the art of the challenge is not to apply a cookie cutter formula to every incident, but to be thorough with the tools that could be brought to bear so we can be adaptable to what the situation demands.

Do you have specific examples of what this looked like in Lewiston? 

My fellow deputy was on the ground within a couple of days — there was obviously a delay since it was an ongoing [manhunt]. We were able to bring multiple agencies to the scene so that we could support the kids that are going back to school and the principals that are dealing with the fallout; the Veterans Affairs Department working with the veterans community; directly addressing the needs of the deaf community, which was specifically impacted in this shooting; and working with the Chamber of Commerce on support for small businesses.

We really were bringing federal resources to bear in a coordinated fashion that just never had been activated like this before.

Is there anything that you learned from this response? 

Look, I think the things that we learned are some of the things that Greg and I have always known. The pain and the trauma lasts longer than a news cycle. Families of individuals who are shot live with that the rest of their lives. Parents that lose children will never recover. And communities live with that reverberation of trauma for years and years, if not their entire lives.

What we’ve been able to bring is that perspective to this office, so that the systems that we put in place and the interventions that we support are meant for healing and helping those that are closest to this pain. And it’s not just about mass shootings. It’s about gun violence in all its forms, about domestic violence, about community violence. It’s about suicide. It’s about accidental shootings.

How does your office play a role in coming up with new ideas for executive actions, and should we expect any new policy moves soon? 

Yeah, we’ve been working around the clock, and there is so much support in this administration for taking action. Our job is about focusing the efforts of this administration. There are several offices and dozens of agencies that all have specific pieces to address this problem. But the issue is, when you have multiple people attacking the same issue, you can see silos. You can see things happening in parallel, but not with strategic coordination. And so we are a dedicated office that acts as that coordinator.

Both you and Jackson bring experience as not only advocates, but as survivors of gun violence. How has this informed your work?  

For example, when it came to the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, we knew that one of the purposes was to implement extreme risk protection order laws and red flag laws. We could dive in and immediately assess the progress in terms of where that funding was and how it was getting to the states. And we convened the states very quickly, to encourage them to get their plans in so that they can begin accessing this money and spending it on the implementation of these red flag laws. Because at the end of the day, we know that these are the types of laws that can save lives because after way too many of these incidents everyone’s saying, “I saw the flag.”

That’s literally the reason my cousin isn’t here today. The man who killed her was in the middle of a mental health crisis that his brother wanted to take action on. He tried some things, but there was no tool at that time to get the guns out of his brother’s hands, even though he wanted to. So that guy walked into the mental health hospital where my cousin was just volunteering for winter break from Haverford College and he shot and killed her and others.

I still today can picture the funeral. I can see where people were sitting. And you want to do something. You want to do something not just for your family, but the families that you don’t even know yet.

There’s obviously a lot of push and pull between policymakers and advocates. Have you disappointed any former colleagues yet in the advocacy world? 

You’d have to ask them if they’re disappointed. Look, there’s no time for grace. There’s only time for the urgency of action. And I think people see that that’s how Greg and I move and that we are here to put in all the work and they know the reasons why we do it. And so I think we welcome all the ideas. We’re not shy, to say bring us the best ideas.

What’s been the biggest challenge? 

The biggest challenge we face is that gun violence has continued. Some of the solutions that have been put in place are beginning to make a difference, and we’re seeing reductions in violent crime and homicide in our cities across this country.

But we still know that the gun violence that is happening is unacceptable, and the president has told us as much — that it doesn’t matter that we passed the first law in 30 years. It doesn’t matter that this administration has taken more executive actions than every other administration combined. What matters is that this gun violence is happening everyday. So I think that the challenge is that we don’t have a minute to spare.

A lot of people are losing hope. Many are scared to send their kids to school. What would you say to Americans who feel like gun violence is never going to end?

The truth is that we have a lot of ground to make up. We’ve had years of underinvestment in the community-based organizations that are doing the hard work on the ground, to intervene and stop violence before it starts — six years where the leading federal agency to enforce our gun laws was without a confirmed director. And we were 30 years from the last time that we had any advancement in our gun safety laws. So we’re just getting started at putting all those pieces into play.

Gun violence is rooted in heartbreak. But that doesn’t mean it’s rooted in hopelessness. In fact, it’s the opposite. And the truth is the 20 years I’ve been involved in this prove that to me. The NRA thought they were going to work out of the West Wing. Twenty years later, we’ve established the first ever White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention.

And in 2013, after a tragedy that captured the nation’s attention, we only got 54 votes in the U.S. Senate for a background check policy. And in 2022, after another tragedy at a school and a tragedy in Buffalo, we saw 65 votes in the U.S. Senate for a bill that included multiple interventions, not just when it comes to gun laws, but in mental health.

I see survivors and students and young people leading on this issue in ways they never had before. And so, I’m filled with hope.

Trump’s ‘dictator’ remark puts 2024 campaign right where Biden wants it

posted in: Politics | 0

Donald Trump keeps returning the 2024 presidential race to the ground where Joe Biden wants to fight it.

After Trump told a Fox News town hall he would not be a dictator upon returning to office “other than Day One,” the Biden campaign pounced. It highlighted Trump’s remarks as another moment in which the GOP frontrunner showcased his undemocratic and dangerous plans for a possible second term.

Biden has expressed his fear to confidants that Trump would have unchecked power if he were to return to office. He’d likely have at least one Republican-controlled chamber in Congress, a conservative Supreme Court, the allegiance of true-believer staff members and GOP state officials — and the knowledge he could be impeached twice and charged criminally in four jurisdictions and still claim power. He’d view that as a mandate, Biden has said privately, and abuse power at home and change how America is viewed abroad.

All three people said the stakes have escalated in the president’s mind as he’s watched the Republican Party remain in Trump’s thrall despite Jan. 6 and the revelations about what his predecessor has in store for the future.

“It’s coming back full circle — that in the president’s mind, this is the moral authority for the race. This is an existential threat. This is the reason he ran initially, and the reason — with Donald Trump running — he’s running again,” said Celinda Lake, a Democratic pollster for Biden’s campaign in 2020.

“The president has always believed that it was his duty to get the nation beyond Trump,” said one of the three people close to him, who spoke with Biden about his views on Trump and was granted anonymity to speak about private discussions. “He had hoped 2020 would have done it but it didn’t. So he has to do it again.”

Some Democrats have urged the reelection team to highlight other issues. This past weekend, a group of the party’s governors used its annual retreat to urge Biden to focus on issues like abortion, not Trump.

But while the Biden camp will continue to draw issue-specific contrasts, the president himself has made clear he wants to frame the election ahead as a battle for democracy itself. The GOP frontrunner continues to provide ample opportunity for Biden to return to this familiar theme.

This issue fueled Biden’s successful 2020 run, which he deemed “a battle for the soul of the nation.” And despite pushback from some Democrats, Biden leaned in hard again on that argument during last year’s midterms, warning that the extremist “MAGA Republicans” posed a threat to the republic’s foundation and rights.

Biden’s candid remarks Tuesday at a string of Boston fundraisers both reflected another example of the president saying something unscripted that surprised staff but also a window into his true thinking, according to the three people close to him.

“If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running,” Biden said. “But we cannot let him win.”

Biden then struck a grave tone, warning that he’s “running against an election-denier-in-chief,” who is “determined to destroy American democracy.”

“Trump’s not even hiding the ball anymore,” Biden told the crowd. “He’s telling us exactly what he wants to do. He’s making no bones about it.”

As early as 2021, Biden began having repeated conversations with allies that he would need to run again to prevent Trump from reclaiming the Oval Office. And like he did in 2020, Biden has steadfastly believed that he was the only Democrat who could beat him — though on Wednesday, he noted “probably 50” others in the party could beat Trump next year.

“Folks have forgotten a lot of anxiety that they had about a second Trump term in 2020,” said Brandon Weathersby, the presidential communications director at American Bridge 21st Century, a top Dem super PAC. “And I believe as he continues to talk about his plans — and again, be very explicit about his plans to install an authoritarian regime — that does make it that much more salient for voters as we talk about it, and as we try to lay out the choice for voters in November.”

Since declaring his candidacy in 2019, Biden has repeatedly touched on the idea that the nation’s democracy was under attack — and believed that voters would respond. His triumph in 2020 and the Democrats’ strong 2022 showing has validated that approach, his campaign believes. And Biden believes that he is the best candidate to deliver that message again next year.

Trump’s latest remarks, Lake said, once again raised “the salience [of the issue], and whether [Trump] realizes it or not: America doesn’t want a dictator.”

During the 2020 campaign, there was some idle chatter in Biden’s campaign of making a one-term pledge, becoming a “transitional” president who would rid the nation of Trump and then usher in a new era of Democratic leaders. But those ideas were dismissed even before Biden took the oath of office. And while Biden has never said so explicitly, many people around him believe he might have not sought reelection had Trump been off the playing field. But at this point on the calendar, Biden would almost certainly still run even if Trump suddenly bowed out, according to those close to him.

After Trump’s town hall comment, the Biden campaign flooded social media with warnings and organized an event to bracket the GOP primary debate in Alabama that would include denouncements of the former president.

“Democrats are gonna seize on this … the campaign immediately condemned the comments. The other groups that are working in concert to elect Democrats around the country have amplified this rhetoric as well,” said Weathersby. “These are Trump’s own words. I think you will continue to see more elevation of those words, and making clear that this is the choice — unless something drastic happens in the Republican primary — this person is going to be the Republican nominee.”